Basically, it appears that the new property will become vacant after the 15th November. My fixed tenancy on my current place ended 5 years ago so I think I have to give a months notice. I get paid on the 25th of each month & that’s when my current rent is paid. So, I will pay my rent as normal on the 25th October & I plan on giving my months’ notice then which will take me to November 25th although this is a Sunday. Ideally, I would move into my new place on the same day & continue paying my rent as normal on the 25th when I get paid. It has been suggested that I will need to have the keys for my new place at least a week before I move in or maybe a few days so approximately 20th November, but this would me that I would have to pay another months rent on my new place all out of the previous months wage. I do not really want to do this if possible I would rather the new tenancy start on my pay day the 25th November. Is there anyway I can do this? Would the landlord accept one weeks rent before I sign up so from the 20th November to 27th & then sign up on that date? Does this happen at all? Thanks.
Can I avoid paying rent on 2 properties when moving?
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Your notice isn't a month, assuming you have a normal periodic tenancy, paying monthly, it needs a minimum of a month, ending at the end of a rental period.
A rental period is based on the original fixed term, and starts on the day of the month that the original fixed term began and ends on the day of the month before that.
It's usually parallel with when the rent is due but is independent of it and doesn't relate to when you actually pay at all.
So the first thing to do is establish those dates and see if they fit.
You can pretty much come to any arrangement with your landlord that you can agree between you, but if you stay after the end of the period a whole month's rent is normally due.
Your new landlord would be daft to take a week's rent and give you the keys.
They'd be daft to let you move things in before the tenancy starts.
There are lots of things that are based around the first day of the tenancy and you'd be making that a bit blurry.
There are daft landlords, though.When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).
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Thanks for your reply although I am still a little confused. My tenancy started on the 25th September 2012 which is also my pay day as I get paid on the 25th of each month. I did not renew my fixed tenancy agreement after the initial 6 months & my agreement says due to this I am required to give a minimum one months notice to terminate the tenancy This should be submitted in line with your tenancy period. For example if your tenancy commenced on the 10th of the month, the period will expire on the 9th, therefore your notice must be in writing and received by the Agent before the 10th of the month and you can leave on the 9th.
This is my terms:
Term of Tenancy.
The Landlord lets to the Tenant the Premises for a period of six months. The Tenancy shall start on and include the 25 September 2012 and shall end on and include the 24 March 2013. The Tenant shall pay to the Landlord or the Agent £495.00 per month, ("the Rent") payable in advance. The first payment shall be made on the 25 September 2012. Thereafter, payments shall be made on the25th day of each month.
Once the fixed period has expired and you do not wish to renew or continue the tenancy on a statutory periodic basis, you are required to give a minimum one months notice to terminate the tenancy. This should be submitted in line with your tenancy period. For example if your tenancy commenced on the 10th of the month, the period will expire on the 9th, therefore your notice must be in writing and received by the Agent before the 10th of the month and you can leave on the 9th. If you are unsure about your tenancy term please refer to the main terms of this tenancy agreement, section 1 or contact your property manager.
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Moving between landlords is always a pain because- You need both properties at the same time (unless you stick belongings in a van overnight)
- New property may not actually be available (e.g. previous tenant failed to move out and LL gambled they would)
- Deposit is needed for both properties.
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You need to serve your notice on or before the 25th October to expire on the 24th November.
Make it before to be sure, if you post it allow a couple of business days for it to arrive.
The legislation that created the periodic tenancy when the initial term ended (the Housing Act 1988) also made any notice period in the original contract void.
However, the text of the paragraph does actually describe the position correctly.When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).
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MdeB,
Yeah, I can see the pain it is going to cause me. The bond is not an issue I have that saved up & the bond from my current place could be used for the first months rent on the new place if I have to pay before I get paid which I am trying to avoid. If I pay up until the 25th November on my current property which is a Sunday would I be able to move into the new place on the Monday 26th November & pay the deposit & first month’s rent then? Would my old LL / estate agent allow me to stay at my property on the Sunday (25th) even though from my agreement it appears I should have to be out on the 24th November? Both properties are fully furnished so I have little possessions apart from clothes & kitchen utensils etc.
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Originally posted by bflare View Post
Thanks for your reply although I am still a little confused
So, if I hand notice in on the 25th October
To terminate at end of 24 November (you can only end tenancy at end of 24th of a month), your notice must be received on or before 24 October.
Note that notice requirement is "at lest one month", not "exactly one month".
Note also that notice is considered served only on a working day unless handed to the recipient; if you post it first class, then you need to allow two working days for delivery.
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jpkeates,
How soon before can I serve my notice? If my tenancy ends on the 24th which is a Saturday would it be likely that the LL would allow me to stay in the flat until the 25th so return the keys on the 26th which is a Monday? Also because I get paid on the 25th of each month & in November it is a Sunday my wage will get paid into my bank on the Friday 23rd so I could actually start the tenancy on the new place then & I would have the cash. But then ask for the subsequent payments to be taken out on the 25th of each month or after. Would this be allowed? Can you move rent payment dates?
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That is because you provided insufficient information initially: only when you pay not the date of the tenancy start
Then your notice will not end the tenancy in November.
To terminate at end of 24 November (you can only end tenancy at end of 24th of a month), your notice must be received on or before 24 October.
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Originally posted by bflare View Postthe bond from my current place could be used for the first months rent on the new place
However, if- both properties are via the same agent
- you have been a model tenant
- an inspection visit is held shortly before the end of the tenancy
If I pay up until the 25th November on my current property which is a Sunday would I be able to move into the new place on the Monday 26th November & pay the deposit & first month’s rent then?
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Rather more here...
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com....php?t=5907809I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...
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Originally posted by theartfullodger View PostRather more here...
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com....php?t=5907809
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Originally posted by theartfullodger View PostFree country: (well, up to a point...)
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Originally posted by bflare View Post
How soon before can I serve my notice?
You can serve it 6 months or more in advance if you really want to.
Also because I get paid on the 25th of each month & in November it is a Sunday my wage will get paid into my bank on the Friday 23rd so I could actually start the tenancy on the new place then & I would have the cash. But then ask for the subsequent payments to be taken out on the 25th of each month or after. Would this be allowed?
Originally posted by bflare View Post& I will need to be out of the property by 24th November which is a Saturday?
How likely is it that I could move into my new property on the 24th
& pay for the first months rent / deposit then change the payment dates for the subsequent months to 25th November or after.
Something like:- Term: 6 months and 3 days starting 22 November.
- Rent: £x per month in advance; first payment due on 22 November before possession is granted; subsequent payment due 25th each month.
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