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  • boletus
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    Hello,

    Does anyone have a National Landlord's Association Tenancy agreement that they can send me please?

    Thank you.
    Google "nla tenancy agreement".

    Or join for free as an associate member using less time than you have already spent posting on here;

    https://www.landlords.org.uk/membership/library-user

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  • kesm
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    In all honesty people could have been a lot nicer to start with, when I first posted this thread. If they were, this virtual back and forth would not have happened.

    The forum indeed is meant to help and not always assume the worst and judge people badly.

    Anyway, have a good day.

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  • KTC
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    If you see the wording that was used you will see clearly that it was not nicely stated. This forum is meant to help people not put them down.
    And the respondents in this thread has between them provide help in thousands of different threads over many years, including in your other threads. The problem they and I have is that this thread of yours started with and only with a request for another member to send you a copy of the NLA's tenancy agreement. That is copyrighted, with various terms attached for use by NLA members which they would have had to agreed to. Unless the member have gotten permission from the copyright holder to provide you with that agreement, they would clearly be in violation of copyright laws. There's also the issue of those who is a member can only get whatever benefit they have from being a member including access to such documents because they helped fund the organisation by paying their membership, why should a non-member benefit. There's plenty of other sample tenancy agreement provided for free legally by those willing to do so such as on gov.uk as has already been pointed out. If you had specific question about a specific clause as you later suggested, you could had simply asked about that, instead of asking for the whole document.

    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    As I said I have received help from PMs from people that were nice enough to help out and they didn't break any law either.
    If you have received the help you need, great. I'll take your word for the second part, which by the way is indicative of the problem of requesting and providing help over PM. Forums only work if it's publicly active, and it also works by others seeing similiar questions to theirs from the past and learning from it. If those questions and answers are provided in private, then the forum might as well not exist.

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  • kesm
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    KTC,

    If you see the wording that was used you will see clearly that it was not nicely stated. This forum is meant to help people not put them down.
    But I guess very easy to put someone down behind a laptop ....

    As I said I have received help from PMs from people that were nice enough to help out and they didn't break any law either.

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  • kesm
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    No, we assumed - correctly - that you were asking someone else to break the law.
    An unhelpful response! Thanks anyway!

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  • KTC
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    Oh dear... Cyber bullying all the way! Shame!
    Shame on you for labelling those who simply and rightly pointed out that asking others to send you a document which is third party copyrighted is publicy asking others to break copyright law and possibly their membership terms as cyber bullies.

    People that did not assume the worst straight away and assumed that I was breaking the law.
    People who unless they have permission of the copyright holder to share said document with you are in fact likely to be breaking copyright law and/or their membership terms, whether you being in simple possession of it is or not.

    If you have issue with a specific term or clause, you could had simply asked about that, and many of those responded and others would happily give you their views.

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  • theartfullodger
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post

    An agent is using a clause in a tenancy agreement that I am not sure if it's correct since the contract is not ARLA approved, so I wanted the NLA contract to check if they are right or not.

    But never mind I have other people helping me -
    People that did not assume the worst straight away and assumed that I was breaking the law.
    Why not quote (assuming it's not copyright) the clause you are uncertain of for members to comment on?

    btw apologies, I was wrong, there are not 5 but 6 NLA tenancy agreements: The "normal" AST is available in both current & "new" versions.

    Comparing tenancy clauses from different sources may be interesting, but the effect of identical wording in a particular clause may result in different outcomes. IMHO use a set of paperwork ALL from a usually reliable source: That way they might work together.

    But, hey, free country! Best wishes to all, including those who disagree with me.

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  • AndrewDod
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post

    An agent is using a clause in a tenancy agreement that I am not sure if it's correct since the contract is not ARLA approved, so I wanted the NLA contract to check if they are right or not.

    But never mind I have other people helping me -
    People that did not assume the worst straight away and assumed that I was breaking the law.
    There is no rule that clauses in contracts have to be "ARLA approved", not is it the case that clauses that are not ARLA approved are not "correct".

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  • jpkeates
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    No, we assumed - correctly - that you were asking someone else to break the law.

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  • kesm
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    Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
    But originally you asked for a copy...You appear somewhat affronted, apologies.

    I ask again,'umbly again,

    I look forward to your answer and light shining upon the matter.
    An agent is using a clause in a tenancy agreement that I am not sure if it's correct since the contract is not ARLA approved, so I wanted the NLA contract to check if they are right or not.

    But never mind I have other people helping me -
    People that did not assume the worst straight away and assumed that I was breaking the law.

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  • theartfullodger
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    Oh dear... Cyber bullying all the way! Shame!

    If you guys were actually nice to start with, I would explain why I need it and you could just checked the contract if you have it, and provided assistance.

    Never mind! I will respond to the nice people that PM'd me and get assistance from them.
    But originally you asked for a copy...
    Does anyone have a National Landlord's Association Tenancy agreement that they can send me please?...
    You appear somewhat affronted, apologies.

    I ask again,'umbly again,
    A question, if I might 'umbly ask: If not to use with a tenant, pray, why would you want one, please?
    I look forward to your answer and light shining upon the matter.

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  • kesm
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    And if you had done that, someone would probably have helped you.
    Best to not assume the worst all the time then eh? And be nice to people...

    As I said : "Never mind! I will respond to the nice people that PM'd me and get assistance from them."

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    If you guys were actually nice to start with, I would explain why I need it and you could just checked the contract if you have it, and provided assistance.
    And if you had done that, someone would probably have helped you.

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  • kesm
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    Oh dear... Cyber bullying all the way! Shame!

    If you guys were actually nice to start with, I would explain why I need it and you could just checked the contract if you have it, and provided assistance.

    Never mind! I will respond to the nice people that PM'd me and get assistance from them.

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by kesm View Post
    If you don't know why I need it, please don;t assume the worst. Not very nice
    It doesn't matter why you need it, providing it would almost certainly break the law.

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