Converting Leasehold 1 bed flat to 2 bed - fire regulations query

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  • leaseholdanswers
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    Originally posted by Sad S View Post

    Typically freeholders charge for consenting to changes of this kind. You are increasing the sale value, and the rent achievable, of the leasehold flat. Freeholder may want a 50% cut, if the lease permits it.

    As the layout alteration is inside the demise the freeholder cannot insist on a premium or cut, unless it is going to impact on the value of his reversion, in which case under teh 27 Act he can.

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  • leaseholdanswers
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    Like the EA and builders comments , none of us cansay much, and opinions are not much use, until we see the exact wording of the alterations covenant in your lease, as well as the demise.

    If for example you need to remove or alter floors or ceilings joists and cut into walls, those walls may not be yours to cut into or relocate.

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  • Tipper
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    If you close off the new kitchen with a new wall and fire rated door then the escape route from the second bedroom is protected from a fire starting in the kitchen which is the most likely place for one to start.

    The Automist system will also do what you want by adding fire protection to the open plan living area whether it has the kitchen area in it or not. No need for a fire door if you install Automist. But it ain't cheap!

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  • simonrobson
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    It would, be the kitchen would then be made into an internal room with no windows, as opposed to an open plan affair. I just spoke to another building regs guy who has recommended that I look into an auto-mist sprinkler system made by Plumis ltd. Has anyone had any dealing with them?

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  • bbva
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    If you enclosed the kitchen with a fire door instead of an open plan kitchen, would this pass?

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  • Moderator2
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    Two related threads have been merged.

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  • simonrobson
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    Converting Leasehold 1 bed flat to 2 bed - fire regulations query

    Hello again,
    This post really is a continuation of my earlier post entitled: Converting Leasehold 1 bed flat to 2 bed - Do I need freeholder's consent?

    You can find it here:
    http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...lder-s-consent

    Firstly, just to say thanks to everyone who offered advice, you saved me a lot of hassle and money.

    Secondly, the plot thickens... I took a trip down to Brighton & Hove planning department to talk about my proposed conversion. I got to speak to a building regs chap who was helpful. The first thing he flagged (And I WISH I'd known this prior to purchase) is that by placing the kitchen in the living room and the second bedroom where the kitchen once was, I would create the need for a fire escape route out of the back of the flat from the second bedroom. I thought this was no problem, as the second bedroom (Now kitchen) has a door leading to the garden. However, this garden is an enclosed space, closed in on the left by the garden wall for no.65 (I'm no.67), on the right by the building itself and at the bottom by a lowish fence leading to the garden to flat 8. The building regs guy informed me that occupants need to be able to get the same distance away from the building as the building is high, if you follow my drift. He pointed me to an 'Approved Document' that you can find here:

    http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/upl...AD_B1_2013.pdf
    Go to page 18 to see the diagram.

    Now, my garden is no way long enough to allow occupants to get that far away from the building. The first thing I thought of was to approach the leaseholders of Flat 8, (who have the garden which is over my bottom fence) to see if they (And the freeholder of course) would allow me to put a gate in the fence to be used as a fire escape only. Obviously this could get very complex; Flat 8 leaseholders worrying about their property value, security issues, paying for all the solicitors fees, re-writing the Deed of Covenant etc. Secondly, I wondered about replacing the fence with a low-ish wall. Is their a rule whereby if a garden wall is low enough, it could be considered an escape route? I'd love to hear if anyone has encountered a problem like this and if they have any insights.

    Here is the layout of my flat, just click on 'floor plan':
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-27460167.html
    I intend to move the kitchen to the area marked 'study' and make the kitchen into a second bedroom.

    The building regs guy suggested making a corridor through the flat past the kitchen. But as you can appreciate, this would not work at all.

    Any thoughts greatly appreciated,

    Simon

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  • simonrobson
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    Thanks all, this is extremely helpful...

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  • mattl
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    Originally posted by simonrobson View Post
    Not to make any structural alterations of structural additions to the Flat nor to erect any new buildings thereon or remove any of the lessors fixtures or in any way alter the exterior appearance of the Flat without the previous consent in writing of the Lessor such consent not to be unreasonably withheld.
    I think you will need prior written consent from the lessor.

    The good thing is that there's no charging clause for this so they should not be able to ask for extortionate amounts of money from you. Only reasonable costs to enable them to make a decision should be available to them - probably a few hundred pounds max. And even this only if they can fit your request into s.19(2) Landlord and Tenant Act 1927.

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  • bbva
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    You will be removing the kitchen fixtures, plumbing, and electrics. Your layout will not match the original plan layout which becomes problematic when you come to sell. You need written consent.

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  • simonrobson
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    Here's the exact wording of the article in the lease that I can find that refers to this question:
    Not to make any structural alterations of structural additions to the Flat nor to erect any new buildings thereon or remove any of the lessors fixtures or in any way alter the exterior appearance of the Flat without the previous consent in writing of the Lessor such consent not to be unreasonably withheld.

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  • Sad S
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    Non-structural alterations amount to moving round the furniture, putting up curtain rails etc: What you are proposing is far more than that.

    Typically freeholders charge for consenting to changes of this kind. You are increasing the sale value, and the rent achievable, of the leasehold flat. Freeholder may want a 50% cut, if the lease permits it.

    What does your lease say? Can you give us the precise wording please?

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  • simonrobson
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    Thanks Mattl,
    No, I have no reason to believe that consent would be un-necessarily withheld. I guess I just wanted to get on with the renovations and, as my solicitor could see nothing in the lease, was hoping to just go for it. But what I will do is notify the freeholder of my intentions. I am not sure if this will then necessitate plans being drawn up. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Thanks for your help!

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  • mattl
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    Right - so it depends on whether the works would fall under structural. I would tend to say they do, if you change around the internal services of the flat this could well be structural alterations...

    Who is the landlord and is this a question of obtaining consent, or of notification (again it should state so in the lease)? If this is a question of notification only then is there merit in just giving them notification to be on the safe side? If this is a question of consent then such consent cannot be withheld unreasonably, do you have reasons to believe this would be the case?

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  • simonrobson
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    According to my conveyancing solicitor, there is nothing in the lease to say I need the freeholders' consent to make internal changes, as long as there are no structural changes... But bbva above is saying, as I interpret it, that I'd need the freeholder's consent anyhow...

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