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    #16
    thanks for the linl, I am not sure what the problem is, though they mention 'illegally' producing their own electricity, so what is the real story? a generator running of fossil fuels can generate electricity. is that illegal? there must be thousands of people in rural areas using panels, campervans use panels etc. what about those 'off grid' ? I think there must be a but more to this story than the article provides. I am sure my 25 year subsidy is safe - though I only need another 5.5 years to break even !!

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      #17
      Although a previous poster confirmed the Conditions imposed by Part 40 of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995 as amended in 2011, below is the entire Part 40 to study.

      “Part 40INSTALLATION OF DOMESTIC MICROGENERATION EQUIPMENT
      Class A
      Permitted development

      A. The installation, alteration or replacement of solar PV or solar thermal equipment on—

      (a)a dwellinghouse or a block of flats; or

      (b)a building situated within the curtilage of a dwellinghouse or a block of flats.
      Development not permitted

      A.1. Development is not permitted by Class A if—

      (a)the solar PV or solar thermal equipment would protrude more than 200 millimetres beyond the plane of the wall or the roof slope when measured from the perpendicular with the external surface of the wall or roof slope;

      (b)it would result in the highest part of the solar PV or solar thermal equipment being higher than the highest part of the roof (excluding any chimney);

      (c)in the case of land within a conservation area or which is a World Heritage Site, the solar PV or solar thermal equipment would be installed on a wall which fronts a highway;

      (d)the solar PV or solar thermal equipment would be installed on a site designated as a scheduled monument; or

      (e)the solar PV or solar thermal equipment would be installed on a building within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse or block of flats if the dwellinghouse or block of flats is a listed building.
      Conditions

      A.2. Development is permitted by Class A subject to the following conditions—

      (a)solar PV or solar thermal equipment shall, so far as practicable, be sited so as to minimise its effect on the external appearance of the building;

      (b)solar PV or solar thermal equipment shall, so far as practicable, be sited so as to minimise its effect on the amenity of the area; and

      (c)solar PV or solar thermal equipment no longer needed for microgeneration shall be removed as soon as reasonably practicable.
      Those conditions are subject to the concept that someone has to decide what is practicable, but I understood that all such panels should be installed to face south if posssible.

      I trust that you realise that an enforcement notice if issued can be appealed against to the Planning Inspectorate.
      An Inspector will decide the appeal if the council claim that they have enforced against a breach of planning control because your installation was not sited so far as practicable to minimise appearance of the building or amenity of the area.

      That is such a subjective clause it seems that every local council could decide to issue an enforcement notice against every single installation, which is why there is a planning appeal system when an independent Planning Inspector takes the decision away from the politically mot ivated local council paying attention to complaints from people who do not approve of solar panels on roofs.

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        #18
        that's all good and well, BUT doesn't help me get his panels cheap, in fact because you mention there is an appeal process, it is HIGHLY unlikely I will get them now, thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!!

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          #19
          Hi MisterB it looks like there are no freeby panels , a victory for the little guy. I submitted a disc to my local councilor with the pictures I took of the various panel installations within my locality some that were as big or even bigger than my installation. T there surprise!!!! they realized that they had installations that were bigger than my own on their own council properties. Although they have said I am in breech of planning they are taking no further action against me as it would mean they would have to remove panels from their properties as they are also in breech. I cannot see how I can be in breech of planning when it is a lawfully permitted development. Hope this gives hope to all who are in a similar situation. Take lots of photos and collect as much evidence as you can.. Thank you very much for all your advice and support. cid

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            #20
            it depends on who the little guy is - if its me then no freeby panels so no victory

            however, well done, I agree with you re the planning breech, or rather lack of it !! I still suspect it was some spotty kid in an office or an old wrinkly with the old ' i work for the council therefore i am the council and am always right. attitude - once the local councillor ( I assume elected) got involved. council employees tend to be less authoritarian !

            ps, thanks for letting us know the final result, its a bit frustrating when you never hear the conclusion and cant then use that information - taking pics of other installations was a good 'move'

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              #21
              Originally posted by JK0 View Post
              I presume you have seen the news about the new solar panel taxes in Spain, Mister B?

              http://www.thelocal.es/20131112/spai...k-in-your-door

              I don't think those British subsidies will last 25 years somehow.
              Subsidies *will* last 25 years imho, for those which are installed and registered. We don't usually do retrospective shafting in our laws on beneficiaries of past decisions.

              Compare with pensions. We have any number of retired people on gold plated pensions that are worth many times more than the contrbutions paid would warrant. Instead of reforming such overgenerous pensions, we make young people joining schemes pay for the past shortfall as well as having to pay more for their own pensions for the future.

              What has happened instead is that the Govt slaughtered the 44p/kwh FIT green-spotted sacred cow, and are now reducing it in line with the falls in the installed cost of solar panels, which are down by around 60-70%. Currently it is about 17p/kwh. Whilst real 2-way tariffs would be better, that approach is at least practical.

              ML
              Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                #22
                Originally posted by midlandslandlord View Post
                Subsidies *will* last 25 years imho, for those which are installed and registered. We don't usually do retrospective shafting in our laws on beneficiaries of past decisions.
                Pension age increase ?? (Asked smug 65yr-old in reciept of pension, £10 Xmas bonus, winter fuel allowance, free prescriptions, free eye tests, free 'bus pass etc etc..)
                I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
                  Pension age increase ?? (Asked smug 65yr-old in reciept of pension, £10 Xmas bonus, winter fuel allowance, free prescriptions, free eye tests, free 'bus pass etc etc..)
                  Personally I'd go for a 10% tax on all public sector final salary pensions for that amount over the average salary level.

                  And remove all early pension ages in line with the rest of us.



                  No idea what it would raise.

                  ML
                  Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                    #24
                    I have a public sector pension, I was forced to join the scheme when I first started, it WAS compulsory, no choice. I paid 12% of my wage into the scheme, the monies raised from the contributions to the scheme was never invested etc, it was spent by local councils on whatever they wanted to, roads, lighting etc etc.

                    I also took part in several pensions meeting with the govt and employers, particularly when they were looking to make changes. you might not be aware that for a scheme to operate there are projections of the scheme which ensure the scheme is self financing and that the monies coming in cover the monies going out (carried out by pension actuaries) and the scheme can be adjusted accordingly - so your comment to tax 10% is a wholly unfounded comment - the sort the daily mail might use as a newspaper headline/campaign if it held up to scrutiny !!

                    so the amount of monies raised would be zero because of the actuarial calculations (which are a statutory requirement of the scheme) , it would actually mean a lower contribution rate NOT a cash windfall for the treasury. there is also the issue of legality, you cannot retrospectively change a pension scheme, you can only make changes from the moment in time that the change is made. all pension benefits accrued to that point remain unaffected.

                    so, whilst it sounds like you might have solved the uk or even the worlds financial crisis, it appears NOT !

                    and do you really think all firefighters can carry out their operational roles at 68? I KNOW they cant !!!

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                      #25
                      (Moderator, could you move the last couple of messages to Take a Break, perhaps we can have that wrangle there!)

                      ML
                      Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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