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  • Living in a Caravan / Portakabin on my Land

    I posted about my problem in that the padlock to the gates of my land kept getting broken into in a separate thread:
    http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...ad.php?t=19695


    I have not been able to find out who is breaking my lock, but have an idea that I want all your inputs on:-

    I’ve thought of moving my caravan (the type you toe to the back of a car) onto the land and given its summer, actually living in it. Or buying a Portakabin and placing it on the land.

    My only concern is that do I need planning permission or my local authority’s consent in any way – say for the purposes of paying Council tax etc.

    I heard in the news sometime ago that local authorities are obliged to allow people to use land as a camp site for those who have caravans, but I think that is in instances where the local authority makes available its own land (i.e. public land) however does it extend to land such as mine, i.e. private land?

  • #2
    A similar, though not identical, question came up before in this thread :

    http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...hlight=caravan

    There should not be a problem putting the caravan on your land, but if you then move into it, I think yes, your council may well have something to say about it. Apart from anything else, I imagine they will want to know what facilities there are for disposal of rubbish and emptying of the chemical toilet, etc.

    Why don't you ring them up and ask them if it's OK to use your caravan on your own land as a temporary summer residence? If you stress the temporary nature of the arrangement and that it is not your main or principal residence, you might be OK.
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    • #3
      Is your land:
      a. in a Conservation Area; or
      b. subject to any other known TCPA matters or registrations?
      For what was it last used? It can't have been derelict forever.
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      • #4
        Jeffrey, in reply to your questions:
        a. in a Conservation Area
        No, it isn't.

        b. subject to any other known TCPA matters or registrations?
        No, neither my land, nor the surrounding businesses are subject to any planning applications.

        For what was it last used? It can't have been derelict forever.
        The last structure that was on the land, was in the late 1950's and it was a tobacco shop.

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        • #5
          You might be best advised to consult the Local Planning Authority, before irrevocably moving to the site.
          JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
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          • #6
            Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I proceed with moving my caravan onto the land and living in it and if the council finds out (which in time they will) they will have quite a job on their hand to move me out of my own land, right?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BobG View Post
              Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I proceed with moving my caravan onto the land and living in it and if the council finds out (which in time they will) they will have quite a job on their hand to move me out of my own land, right?
              On your argument, anyone could breach Planning Control at any time in any way-as long as the breach was on his/her own land!
              JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
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              2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
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              4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BobG View Post
                Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I proceed with moving my caravan onto the land and living in it and if the council finds out (which in time they will) they will have quite a job on their hand to move me out of my own land, right?
                I expect they will have a plan. It will probably involve prosecuting you for breach of the planning consent laws.
                'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                • #9
                  Please don't add to your troubles. I really think you ought to contact the council and ask them about moving into a caravan on your land temporarily. Get them on your side.

                  What other action have you taken?

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                  • #10
                    I haven't taken any other action.

                    My local authority says that it will take them 8 weeks to assess my application. That's too long.

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                    • #11
                      If I were in your shoes, I would at least put up a copy of my title document and contact the Police about the stolen padlocks. Get a crime reference number.

                      My original suggestion to camp out, meant in a tent. You don't need council permission for that.

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                      • #12
                        You Maybe able to get Temporary (up to 3 years) permission.
                        See http://www.joalleisure.com/mobile-ho...riculture.html

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                        • #13
                          Is there not some rule about "if its on wheels the council can't do much". Also farmers can legally set up a camp site for up to 6 caravans without planning permission. Move it on and what is the worst that can happen. They will write to you and tell you to stop it, which you being a good law abiding citizen will do!
                          My concern would be that the phantom car stealer would tow the van away off "his" land...
                          Buy a van for a couple of hundred pounds and fit a tracking device. When it is "stolen" call the Police....
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