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    Shared Victorian Entrance Doors not matching, looks terrible.

    Hello,

    I own the Freehold of a Rental property which also has a Rental flat above me where a
    separate owner leases from me. The property is Victorian and we share the same entrance porch and have 2 doors visable from the road next to each other. The doors have always been matching, looks very nice and suitable for the property. Anyway the Landlord of the flat upstairs has suddenly changed their door to a modern door of a completely different colour and style which looks terrible and is not at all keeping in character to the property. Do I have any rights in this situation if after I politely ask him to change fails?

    #2
    Try contacting the Planning Dept. of your Local Authority and send them a picture. It might be a listed building, but if not then I don't think there is much you can do.
    The advice I give should not be construed as a definitive answer, and is without prejudice or liability. You are advised to consult a specialist solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

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      #3
      Point out to him that in not preserving the aesthetic integrity of the facade of the building and the doors he is devaluing the whole property in real terms. There may be something in the head lease prohibiting this.

      What happened to the original door on his side - did it fall apart, or what?
      'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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        #4
        Victorian house

        Given the house is Victorian,the door could have been changed to comply with modern Fire regs or was door knackered,woodworm,wood rot so on.
        Thunderbirds are go

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          #5
          Originally posted by 45002 View Post
          Given the house is Victorian,the door could have been changed to comply with modern Fire regs or was door knackered,woodworm,wood rot so on.
          Even if the doors were knackered they could still have been replaced with some which matched the originals. It is no excuse.
          'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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            #6
            I have a Victorian house and I'd cringe at the thought of putting a modern front door on it. I'd have a good look through the lease and keep my fingers crossed.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Claymore View Post
              I have a Victorian house and I'd cringe at the thought of putting a modern front door on it. I'd have a good look through the lease and keep my fingers crossed.
              I'd go further than that. I would dye my hair bluey-purpley and become a mainstay of the Residents' Association if necessary.

              OP, remember that a building doesn't have to be listed to have to comply with Planning regs? Some people just have no taste and naffness must be rooted out.

              Cbeck whether Conservation Area, too.
              'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                #8
                Originally posted by 45002 View Post
                Given the house is Victorian,the door could have been changed to comply with modern Fire regs
                Please explain why solid Victorian doors (fitted with suitable locks etc) would ever be inadequate as a means of escape even in buildings where fire regs apply.

                I have a 6 bed HMO built in 1907 and the front door was one of the few doors which did not have to be replaced by a fire door.
                'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                  #9
                  Don't get me started on front doors. No one should be able to change a front door without permission from a committee of 12 Oscar Wilde trained aesthetes.

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                    #10
                    1st, URGENTLY offer to buy old door to try & save it.

                    Then spend months or years cunningly & slowly try & persuade him.
                    I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                      #11
                      Please

                      Originally posted by Lawcruncher View Post
                      Don't get me started on front doors. No one should be able to change a front door without permission from a committee of 12 Oscar Wilde trained aesthetes.
                      Go on then tell us All
                      Thunderbirds are go

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by matthew1000 View Post
                        Hello,

                        I own the Freehold of a Rental property which also has a Rental flat above me where a
                        separate owner leases from me. The property is Victorian and we share the same entrance porch and have 2 doors visable from the road next to each other. The doors have always been matching, looks very nice and suitable for the property. Anyway the Landlord of the flat upstairs has suddenly changed their door to a modern door of a completely different colour and style which looks terrible and is not at all keeping in character to the property. Do I have any rights in this situation if after I politely ask him to change fails?
                        Does the leaseholder's lease entitle him to make alterations to the property like this without the freeholder's consent?

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                          #13
                          I was so incensed by the thought of these ugly new doors that I dreamt about them last night.
                          'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
                            I'd go further than that. I would dye my hair bluey-purpley and become a mainstay of the Residents' Association if necessary.
                            That's an outdated stereotype but they are still around. There is very nice retired lady who lives with her retired daughter who asks when I am due to visit their development and what, and when, lunch will be.

                            It's far more often a well groomed metrosexual that rides a bike, has designer glasses and the other chap they live with is a good friend, really he is... and believe in community engagement. And are members of the vegetarian brotherhood.
                            Based on the information posted, I offer my thoughts.Any action you then take is your liability. While commending individual effort, there is no substitute for a thorough review of documents and facts by paid for professional advisers.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by westminster View Post
                              Does the leaseholder's lease entitle him to make alterations to the property like this without the freeholder's consent?

                              That is the nub of it, and moreover
                              - does it restrict what can be done " such as not to alter the external appearance"
                              - is the door in fact theirs to change- they may not be demised to the leaseholder
                              Based on the information posted, I offer my thoughts.Any action you then take is your liability. While commending individual effort, there is no substitute for a thorough review of documents and facts by paid for professional advisers.

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