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    #46
    Originally posted by Moderator2 View Post
    Well that's a fine explanation, and it's a pity that wasn't posted somewhere after post #3 where the tenancy agreement was first mentioned.
    It wasn't relevant then and still isn't. Out of interest, what do you know about limiting electricity use?

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      #47
      Originally posted by Vizard1 View Post
      It wasn't relevant then and still isn't.
      To you yes, but to the people offering advice no, since they were unaware of that plan.

      Originally posted by Vizard1 View Post
      Out of interest, what do you know about limiting electricity use?
      Not a great deal, I’m an electronics engineer, not an electrical engineer. But some of the things I have come across are;

      • Current limiters that will trip if say more than 3 KW is used.
      • Motion detection that turns off circuits if a room is unoccupied.
      • Keycard systems like the type used in some hotels where the keycard used to enter the room is placed in a slot inside the room to enable power, to leave the room and lock it, power has to be removed to most of the room (except lights).
      • Separating a high power (but limited) circuit from a lower power circuit, i.e. you can only use higher power devices in specific locations.
      • Separate metered circuits for different rooms.

      All of those cases would need to be considered from a safety point of view of course.

      But if you intend to provide or impose new contracts, your options regarding the energy supply become wide open don’t they, and you may not need to make any changes to the supply at all.
      I also post as Mars_Mug when not moderating

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        #48
        Thank you, all sensible suggestions.

        But how would you propose to control use without making changes to the supply, bearing in mind that contractual terms seem to carry little weight with our tenants? Not so much due to defiance, by the way, more thoughtlessness.

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          #49
          Good to see you got the contract thing sorted out.

          The easiest option would be to have your tenants pay for the utilities as a group, and then you don't even have to worry about it. If they don't pay, they'll be cut off. This would also solve the heating problem. If they heat the house all the time, they will soon notice the cost of their bills! You also wouldn't need to make changes to the wiring.

          If you're determined to have some individual controls, your easiest option then would probably be to install coin or token meters, one for each room. But then what about communal spaces?

          I would not necessarily go with a current limiting approach, since you're then limiting what they might want to do for even a limited time, like if they were making a cup of tea and happened to be using a hairdryer at the same time. Blackouts would be very annoying! While it's simple enough to implement, I think it's the wrong way to go. I think what you need is to get it out of your hands and into the tenants, making them responsible for all their own bills from the outset.

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            #50
            Well I think now you need the advice of the forum members because issues of contracts and energy supply to tenants is not something I am (or have been) involved in.
            I also post as Mars_Mug when not moderating

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              #51
              Originally posted by Snorkerz View Post
              HHSRS also says that they must be able to heat the rooms to a certain temperature and have individual control of temperature. . .

              Once you have tenancy agreements in place that permit it, you can have individual meters in each room & credit each card with (say) £20 per month.

              You should also read the thread on 'green deal' as that may reduce your fuel consumption without affecting your tenants.
              Re-posted as I suspect it wasn't read during last nights defensive phase.

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                #52
                Thermostats are locked at a maximum of 21 degrees and all rooms are capable of sustaining that temperature or being cooler. Providing that tenants behave sensibly they will always be warm, but they don't. For example I visited one recently and the heat hit me as I walked in, the heating was on and he had a fan heater by his feet. The tenant was in a tee shirt and looked hot.

                He complained that although the heating was on then bedroom wasn't warm enough. So I checked why. He'd got two large wardrobes in front of the radiator. There was no need to ask why, he'd moved them there to make room for a huge flat-screen TV on the wall where the wardrobes used to be.

                If tenants want to behave like this they shouldn't expect us to foot the bill.

                As for card meters, it is something we have considered but we're talking about 100+ meters and we've not figured out how to deal with top-ups. Unless there is a system you know of that can be topped up by phone or at a local shop etc.

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                  #53
                  Can't you just increase the temperature on the lockable thermostats?

                  As well as being expensive to run, constant use of fan heaters will start to burn the socket outlets. You might have a ring main per room but what is the incoming supply to the property, if you start blowing the cutout fuses the electricity company will charge you for coming out to replace them!

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Jophus View Post
                    Can't you just increase the temperature on the lockable thermostats?
                    So that tenants can be irresponsible with energy and still be warm? No. They need to be educated and whilst some of them in fairness do listen a great many others don't unless failure to do so hits them in the pocket.

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                      #55
                      This may be judged by some off-topic but if you communicate with your customers, your clients, your tenants as you do here, is there perhaps something else you could do?

                      I've always found striving for mutual respect & dignity pays dividends.

                      Cheers!
                      I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                        #56
                        A call to someone like this might be useful http://www.stephenpwales.co.uk/Produ...ome_cards1.htm

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Snorkerz View Post
                          A call to someone like this might be useful http://www.stephenpwales.co.uk/Produ...ome_cards1.htm
                          We've spoken to one of his competitors, but yes thank you we'll give him a bell next week.

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                            #58
                            Have you considered incentives?

                            The way we do it with students is a weekly estimated charge added to the rent, and an extra charge if they are over, or a rebate per year or at the end of the tenancy is they are consistently under.

                            That would need to match your metering (per room or per house) arrangements, and you could still have the extension lead issue.

                            It goes without saying that insulation and ventilation setups should be optimal.

                            ML
                            Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Vizard1 View Post
                              We've spoken to one of his competitors, but yes thank you we'll give him a bell next week.
                              I should add that I have no idea if that company is any good - they were just a google find.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Vizard1 View Post
                                As for card meters, it is something we have considered but we're talking about 100+ meters and we've not figured out how to deal with top-ups. Unless there is a system you know of that can be topped up by phone or at a local shop etc.
                                We have an H.M.O that we have rewired to have card meters that is 6 miles out of town.
                                We pay a local shop to sell the electric cards on our behalf.

                                Heating bills are the bain of HMO's with inclusive bills. We had a Sudanese chap in two weeks ago complaining that one of the English sharers was switching off the central heating at 2a.m. I was almost lost for words.
                                Allow tenants to protect their own deposits. I want free money when they do it wrong

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