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    Wedging open of Fire Doors

    I have a tenant who is wedging open Fire Doors in the property.

    A fuller description of the property and its occupiers is here:
    https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/fo...is-hmo-manager

    In brief though there are three unrelated persons occupying the property, so whilst it does not require licencing, it still needs to be compliant under the HMO Regulations.

    Despite being given Fire Training by myself, signage in the property advising, and told of her responsibilities under the Regulations - the tenant has not heeded the advice given in regards door wedging.

    I have informed her it is illegal to wedge open the doors, and that victims have died and perpetrators gone to prison for this.

    I noticed the wedging when in the property recently.

    What actions should I be taking if I see this, should I forcably remove the wedges or leave them and write to remind her of her responsibilities.

    #2
    Originally posted by bob369 View Post
    I have informed her it is illegal to wedge open the doors, and that victims have died and perpetrators gone to prison for this.



    What actions should I be taking if I see this, should I forcably remove the wedges or leave them and write to remind her of her responsibilities.
    That's interesting, any link to someone going to prison for wedging open a fire door please ??

    And yes, if you see it, you should close door.

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      #3
      You report her to the appropriate Council department that the HMO manager is not complying to the regulations, and they may well take her to court, fine her, and then your problems start.

      Why you have ALLOWED a tenant to be responsible for complying to the HMO laws beyond comprehension. ( and for making profit from your business 0
      You write to them stating that as she is incapable of being an HMO Manager, and as you are the property owner, you now take on that respnsibility.
      why should she be an HMO manager ? - she is not getting paid, wont want to do the job, so she doesn't - it's clear.

      Have you given her the full - on paper rules and regulations, do you have a signed document that she is the HMO manager.
      She can deny she is, if asked by any official, then they come after you.

      As HMO manager, you can enter when you like, with advanced notive

      Your ONLY option is to terminate the tenancy if she is incapable of being an HMO manager ( which she should never have been entrusted with in the firt place -- see my replies at https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/fo...is-hmo-manager

      Yes, if she is incapable of complying with the rules, then you tell her, if she does not, you will have to evict everyone in the property, even if you take on the HMO managers job

      Don't go round in circles by prolonging this thread -- Saying - Yes, but, you see, cant throw them out - such nice people, etc, etc, etc

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        #4
        +1 for what Ram wisely says....
        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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          #5
          Addition to post number 3

          Found this on the internet today.
          Rogue Southport landlord fined £60,000 for putting lives of tenants at risk -year 2019
          ( Southport = North west, one third up between Liverpool and Blackpool, and a decent area it seems )

          A rogue landlord who put the lives of vulnerable tenants at risk has been fined almost £60,000.

          Heather Jackson, 55, of Church Street in Southport, pleaded guilty to twelve housing standards offences at South Sefton magistrates court earlier today.

          Horrified council inspectors found the fire alarms had been deactivated, and escape routes were blocked. One of two fire exit corridors had been turned into a makeshift kitchen, and a fire door had been locked shut.

          There was also a quantity of aluminium foil covering a smoke alarm.
          Jackson was unable to provide evidence of gas safety records, the roof was leaking, and common areas were filthy and cluttered.

          After considerable deliberation, magistrates fined Jackson £55,000 – taking into account her early guilty plea. She was also ordered to pay court costs of £2,989.67 and a victim surcharge of £170.

          Sefton Council lawyer Claire Blundell said Jackson repeatedly failed to keep tenants safe. She said: “As the manager of a HMO, you have a responsibility to ensure safety measures are in place, including safe and accessible escape routes in case of fire."
          “You also must maintain proper water supply and drainage; safe gas and electricity supply; maintain common areas, fixtures and fittings, and living accommodation.”

          Ram's note.


          Get a grip, The property owner MUST be in charge. Not some tenant who does not care.

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            #6
            We are not blocking fire escapes etc, but a few years ago, on one of our fire inspections our kitchen fire door was wedged open.
            We do not have any dining areas so the tenants eat in their rooms.

            We explained that during the day we wedge the door open so that a disabled tenant carrying trays of food and hot drinks do not get hit in the back causing her to drop the food tray and possibly get scalded or trip up.

            The fire inspector stated that it is a case of safety against safety, he stated that it is wrong to wedge the door but we were thinking of our tenants safety in another way.

            He did not penalise us but he advised us about a slow soft close hydraulic overhead closure device and gave us 28 days to have one fitted.

            By the way our kitchen has 3 fire exits, the exit that was jammed open is normally used only by the disabled tenant who had difficulty in opening the door in the first place.

            Luckily our council paid half of the costs for an electrically motorised opening door under it's help for disability scheme.

            BTW It seems obvious that Heather Jackson listed above had multiple issues, she didn't fix them so deserves everything that was thrown at her

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              #7
              Approach local fire service, explain situation, ask for advice and help.

              I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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