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    fake smoke testing of smoke alarms

    It's time to have my smoke alarms tested with fake smoke. I've asked my favourite gas and elec and why business who do a lot of work in my area, but it seems to be a new question to them. This makes me think that most HMO landlords don't get their smoke alarms properly tested.

    Do you get your smoke alarms tested with fake smoke?

    If so, how often do you get it done?

    Is it legally required?


    #2
    Why use fake? Just burn some toast. I thought the test button was an adequate test? (I don't have HMOs).

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      #3
      Originally posted by royw View Post
      Why use fake? Just burn some toast. I thought the test button was an adequate test? (I don't have HMOs).
      The test button just tells you if the battery is working, but doesn't test whether it can detect smoke.

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        #4
        [QUOTE=Berlingogirl;n1155973Do you get your smoke alarms tested with fake smoke? If so, how often do you get it done?

        Is it legally required?[/QUOTE]

        The electrician needs a special piece of kit to cover detectors with smoke spray and often an assistant to monitor the control panel and many will not see it being worth the investment. I had a smoke test annually. There was a saying' people only respect what you inspect' and regrettably it is known that Local Authorities are not able or willing to do detail checks.

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          #5
          Originally posted by royw View Post
          Just burn some toast..
          I removed the batteries in a one level flat- did not have a door on the kithen ( illegal ) and just normal toast set off the alarm in the front room.
          Ask the electricians to take a stool, toaster, extension lead, and of have some jam and toast. soon have every alarm going off., may even not have to make toast in every room.
          Tell them they can have their lunch break in the flat / house / take toast to van and eat in there.

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            #6
            No need to burn anything, you can get aerosol test sprays:
            https://www.amazon.co.uk/Arctic-Haye...DRYPAJMWBSNK0N

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              #7
              Think on balance I'd rather test with real rather than fake smoke.

              Wouldn't want eg the low brake wear indicators on my car tested with fake brake pads...
              I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                #8
                Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post

                The test button just tells you if the battery is working, but doesn't test whether it can detect smoke.
                and the alarm may work when you push the test button, but the alarm may be out of date too

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neelix View Post

                  and the alarm may work when you push the test button, but the alarm may be out of date too
                  I don't understand the concept of 'out of date' smoke alarms. Fair enough if it has a non-replaceable battery. Am I too cynical or is it just so they can sell you another one? They didn't used to have expiry dates on them and you wouldn't replace your kettle, tv etc just because it was x years old.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by royw View Post

                    I don't understand the concept of 'out of date' smoke alarms. Fair enough if it has a non-replaceable battery. Am I too cynical or is it just so they can sell you another one? They didn't used to have expiry dates on them and you wouldn't replace your kettle, tv etc just because it was x years old.
                    so would you leave out of date alarms in your rental ?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Neelix View Post

                      so would you leave out of date alarms in your rental ?
                      Yes, also in my own home. Is there any evidence they stop working just because they reach a certain age?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by royw View Post

                        I don't understand the concept of 'out of date' smoke alarms.and you wouldn't replace your kettle, .
                        A kettle is not a scientific air particle TESTING device, complete with complex air sampling filter / chemical impregnaed things / or whatever they have in there.

                        i have no idea whats in them, but try and build one yourself. that goes off when you fry fat, make toast, and other harmfull gasses, all of which the alam has to test for.
                        You want a carbon monoxide alarm, then often you need this different one as well.

                        Magic does not exist. These things are complicated, and to package them as small as they are, and keep them within a reasonable price, there is a compromise.
                        Bulky and expensive and last for more that 20 years, or small and affordable and replace them every 5 to 10 years


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                          #13
                          The sensors degrade over time and become less sensitive.

                          It's a bit like ten year old tyres on a HGV, they may still work but are degraded and unsafe, (so now are banned).

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                            #14
                            Yes, they degrade .

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                              #15
                              You must use a specific test device for testing smoke alarms:

                              This company provide lots of information as to why you need to have them tested in the correct manner:

                              https://www.detectortesters.com/

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