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    Live in landlord hmo licence fire safety?

    So 1st of October.....

    Do I need a hmo licence?

    if I want to have 3 loggers in 3 rooms and me and my girlfriend in 1 room, do I need a hmo licence now? (4 rooms with 5 people in total)

    and if so what do I need to do about fire safety as I am a live-in landlord would it change now I need a licence?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ds-and-tenants

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    The Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015: Q&A booklet for the private rented sector – landlords and tenants
    19. Live-in landlords and owner occupiers

    If the occupier shares the accommodation with the landlord or landlord’s family then these regulations will not apply.

    For the purposes of the regulations, a landlord is considered to share accommodation with the tenant if they share an amenity such as a kitchen or living room. The regulations are not aimed at owner-occupied properties."""""""""""""

    if anyone has any useful info that would be great, thanks.

    #2
    You are an HMO, so presumably a licensable one. The council's licensing conditions will dictate the rest, but I would expect you would require fire safety upgrades.

    Seriously, if you do not have any smoke alarms, you have a fire trap, even if you and the girlfriend were the only occupants.

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      #3
      Yes, I think this meets the conditions for mandatory licensing. As above the Council website is the place to start

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        #4
        Yes I have alarms but will i need mains alarms now? and more fire doors etc., because i'm resident will this apply?

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          #5
          As you will be resident then I would have thought that you would want fire doors and effective alarms for your own safety/protection.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Another Landlord View Post
            Yes I have alarms but will i need mains alarms now? and more fire doors etc., because i'm resident will this apply?
            Yes, the HMO regulations apply to HMO's with resident landlords.
            This isn't a new thing, that's been the case for years.

            If you aren't following the regulations already, you're breaking the law.

            When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
            Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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              #7
              Originally posted by Another Landlord View Post
              The Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015: Q&A booklet for the private rented sector – landlords and tenants
              19. Live-in landlords and owner occupiers

              If the occupier shares the accommodation with the landlord or landlord’s family then these regulations will not apply.

              For the purposes of the regulations, a landlord is considered to share accommodation with the tenant if they share an amenity such as a kitchen or living room. The regulations are not aimed at owner-occupied properties..
              Those regulations don't apply to HMOs at all, so the exemption for live in landlord's is meaningless in this case.

              The regulations don't apply to HMOs because the HMO regulations already cover the same issues - the fire alarm requirements in an HMO are much stricter than these regulations.
              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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