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    #31
    When I bought my latest flat, the storage heaters were manually controlled, so I installed a Pactrol weather sensing controller and four way contactor in the consumer unit. The Pactrol gadget failed a couple of years ago, so the heating reverted to manual control. My tenants still refused to have the heating on, so during the latest void I have been taking steps to avoid the mould I was confronted with.

    I have replaced the Pactrol gadget with an indoor central heating thermostat. This seems to work well. As above, the four storage heaters now no longer have individual switches at the wall. Of course, tenants could still turn down the input control on each heater, so those have been bypassed. (Cutouts remain in circuit to shut off heater if covered with clothing.)

    We then still have the problem of tenants turning down the thermostat to 5 degrees when they go away. I think I found a solution to this today: Below the dial is a metal semi circle with a tag at each temperature. Thus by bending the tag out, you can prevent the dial being moved past a certain point. I have bent the 16 degrees and 25 degrees tags out.
    I've now got to take apart the trickle vents to remove the shutters.

    To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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      #32
      Visited T yesterday, and they've already defeated the temperature limits I set.
      To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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        #33
        Had some more inspiration yesterday for a way to avoid tenants shutting down the heating completely while they're away... I ordered a frost stat from Amazon. This only has fairly low current contacts though, so will need a contactor in the consumer unit with the contacts connected across the heater control.

        I'll let you know if it works.
        To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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          #34
          Amps might be a bit high,
          Would that involve all storage rads and immersion switching on through frost-stat at same time?
          I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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            #35
            Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
            Amps might be a bit high,
            Would that involve all storage rads and immersion switching on through frost-stat at same time?
            Not the immersion. I don't mind what they do with that.

            The flat I'm thinking of only has a 0.85kw bathroom storage heater & a 2.55 kw in the lounge. The bathroom one had no control at all, so I ran a 4 core cable to the lounge heater, and connected the spare core to the thermostat. This then runs back to the consumer unit where its connected to the bathroom heater. (EICR guy replaced the consumer units last year, and was happy to reinstate my arrangement.)

            Therefore I have both sides of the lounge heater control available inside the consumer unit. I plan to add a contactor, (relay) with the contacts in parallel with the existing lounge heater control. The coil will be fed from the frost stat.
            To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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              #36
              Again!

              Tenants recently moved out of modern flat with Dimplex duoheat storage heaters. These have a flat panel heater built in to supplement heating in the evening. As usual I provided a letter explaining how these work.

              I just checked the timeswitches for the main storage elements, and they were set to: 4am to 7am and 6pm to 10pm. It's just occurred to me that I should see what the immersion is set to.
              To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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                #37
                JK0,

                Those sound like good heaters but I'm fairly sure that the socket supplying mine is controlled by the E7 timer so I'd have to rewire a bit
                Could it be that your tenants switched to a different tariff that gave cheap rate from 6pm to 7am ?

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                  #38
                  If you were thinking of getting some, they aren't made any more, but you might find the odd one on ebay. I'm not sure I'd recommend them, as the parts are getting expensive & hard to find. This flat was not originally wired for E7, so I had to install spur box timeswitches in lieu of dedicated wiring.

                  Regarding the tariff, I'm fairly certain it's just normal E7, because the smart meter readout gives an electricity price for now, and a lower one for 12.30am onwards. Interesting idea about the tariffs though.
                  To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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