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    #16
    Seriously??? Are you kidding me??? Chaos???? Try driving down the motor way at 70mph and see how many cars over take you and you will understand that about 80% of the population pick and choose which laws to obey.

    Whether they like to acknowledge this or not. You will find about 90% of private landlords are not actually abiding by the law fully. Take yourself for instance? Are you doing fire risk assessments? Full HHsrs risk assessments? Are you doing gas checks every time a tenant leaves even if they are not due? Full periodic electrical tests? Have you eliminated all category hazards throughout these? if you have then congratualtions you are the minority.

    I would bet though that you are not, if not you are risking far more severe penalties that of not doing an EPC. I know where I am spending my money and it is on the important things, not on EPC's!!!

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      #17
      Yes, I do all those things, and I even manage to do them without a diarrhoeal stream of question and exclamation marks.

      Your argument is nonsense, however. The fact that some people pick and choose which laws to obey and which to disregard does not mean that the principle I outlined in my last post is wrong. In other words, just because something is popular does not make it right. You are confused.

      Blimey, they're all out tonight!
      'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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        #18
        "In a democracy, if you do not agree with a law you have the option of campaigning to change it; it is morally indefensible to pick and choose which laws you will obey. The result would be chaos. " I am sorry I thought I was replying to exactly what you wrote - you then proceed to say that in fact what you wrote was utter garbage and you yourself pick and choose which laws to obey..........and I am confused?

        It is morally indefensible what you do.....the irony

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          #19
          I see care in the community is still active, albeit at a price...


          Cheers!
          I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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            #20
            Originally posted by hech123 View Post
            "In a democracy, if you do not agree with a law you have the option of campaigning to change it; it is morally indefensible to pick and choose which laws you will obey. The result would be chaos. " I am sorry I thought I was replying to exactly what you wrote - you then proceed to say that in fact what you wrote was utter garbage and you yourself pick and choose which laws to obey..........and I am confused?

            It is morally indefensible what you do.....the irony
            Yes, you are confused. So far your 'argument' (such as it is) has consisted only in asserting that lots of people break the law in different ways, e.g motorists by speeding or landlords by failing to comply with housing legislation. You are probably correct in that empirical observation, although we seem to disagree about the impact of that failure to comply. Talk to the relatives of someone killed by a speeding motorist, or to tenants whose landlord is cavalier about the law, and you will understand what I mean by chaos. With me so far?

            The problem is that simply describing a state of affairs, or asserting that it is the case (which I do not dispute), does not mean that it is right.

            I repeat : in a democracy, people should obey the law. If they think the law is stupid, they should exercise their democratic right to push for change/vote in people who agree with them.

            If you cannot understand that basic principle, please don't bother trying to debate the issue.
            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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