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    1st October 2008 - EPC reminder to landlords

    It's the 1st October - A pinch and a punch, it's the start of a new month.

    Landlords - Don't forget to order your Energy Performance Certificates!!!

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    #2
    Wrong Advice! A little knowledge................! It only applies to NEW tenancies. Y'see you might panic one or two poor souls who have taken you at face value!
    The advice I give should not be construed as a definitive answer, and is without prejudice or liability. You are advised to consult a specialist solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

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      #3
      Thanks for the reminder. This had permeated my sieve-like skull some time ago, but then I'd forgotten completely. I do seem to remember reaching the conclusion when I looked at it briefly before that it is toothless and useless. Remind me what happens if landlords ignore it?

      I can't see market forces being an incentive, because I suspect tenants won't give two hoots for what sounds like a worthless piece of paper. I've had a couple of friends before EPCs came along who I've told not to rent flats because they have electric heating and it costs a fortune to run - you don't need a man from the government to tell you that. However, they've gone ahead and rented anyway. I don't get the impression that running costs figure too highly (although they should).

      I've never had a tenant ask me for a landlord's gas safety certificate (although I always have them). I have to take the initiative to give it to them. I'm talking about articulate professional couples who often go through the lease carefully and renegotiate bits of it with me. I don't think these bits of paper from the government figure very highly on tenants' shopping lists.

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        #4
        [QUOTE=Wrigglesworth;95019] Remind me what happens if landlords ignore it? QUOTE]

        Nothing much - just a fine of £200 per day for each day the property is tenanted without an EPC, if it should have one.
        'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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          #5
          Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
          - just a fine of £200 per day for each day the property is tenanted without an EPC, if it should have one.
          To me there's nothing worse than scaremongering the actual wording from the communities.gov.uk website is: "If the landlord has failed to provide an EPC to a tenant, or fails to show an EPC to an enforcement officer when asked, Trading Standards can issue a notice with a penalty charge of £200 per dwelling. In addition to paying the penalty notice, the landlord will still have to provide an EPC to the person who has become the tenant" I wonder if these Enforcement Officers will have Traffic Warden style hats on !
          "Better an empty property than a tenant without a guarantor"

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            #6
            Thanks for the info mind the gap and sportingdad. So what is the cost of having one done? I'm not yet convinced it's worthwhile, although I'm an inveterate risk-runner when it comes to things like this.

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              #7
              OK, I got ashamed of myself for being so lazy, and looked it up. I discovered (as I'm sure everyone else knows) that they last for ten years, which puts a different slant on my risk-running calculations. At a cost of about a hundred quid that's a tenner a year. I still reckon I could go twenty years without ever seeing my local EPC inspector, but I think I shall open the padlock on my wallet and cough up, just so I can sleep sound in my bed knowing that my tenants are fully appraised of the thermal coefficient of their ceilings.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Wrigglesworth View Post
                At a cost of about a hundred quid
                I'm getting one done tomorrow as it happens, using an advertiser from this site, costing 55 quid all in.

                Still a total waste of money, which I bitterly object paying.

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                  #9
                  The vast majority of Landlords I know are sitting on the fence and seeing if tenants are going to ask for them, as we know so many laws are being brought in now that people are just turning a blind eye to them, whilst we responsible Landlords agree with the safety ones..fire and furnishings/gas certs/electrical-pat testing this has been thought up by some Brussels tree hugger keeping themselves in a job and I believe will be used by the UK goverment in the next few years as a way of implementing a new tax income, as I have said before too many other requirements when looking for a property, number of beds/area/schools/amenities/bus-tube routes/furnished or not/condition/value for money/safety/parking/room sizes/available date and now in the goverments eyes would- be tenants will now factor in the depth of loft insulation.....my advice to Landlords having sleepless nights is have a holiday-flights are cheap at the moment.
                  "Better an empty property than a tenant without a guarantor"

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                    #10
                    I started this thread Energy assessor wants access to loft and basement on the Home Condition Reports, HIPs & EPCs forum. I am looking for a response please.

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                      #11
                      [QUOTE=mind the gap;95126]
                      Originally posted by Wrigglesworth View Post
                      Remind me what happens if landlords ignore it? QUOTE]

                      Nothing much - just a fine of £200 per day for each day the property is tenanted without an EPC, if it should have one.
                      Crikey!, I nearly had a heart attack! £200 a day.
                      I'd like to start a company like the one's where they recover debts and take a percentage. Imagine finding loads of landlords a year into the scheme with no certificates. (£200 per day / landlords with no certs = loadsamoney).

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                        #12
                        O.K. experts on EPC's, here is one for you: I have had a property empty now for a couple of months awaiting a new tenant. My agent agreed that there should be no need to get an EPC at the time as they anticipated getting a new tenant much more quickly than they have. On the 29th September a new suitable tenant viewed the property and wants to rent it. I am now awaiting references and credit checks before the AST is signed. My agent is not certain whether an EPC is required and the govenrment literature in the matter is very hazy on this point (as would be expected of civil servants keen on justifying their huge salaries and jobs). Anybody got a definitive answer?

                        P.P.
                        Any information given in this post is based on my personal experience as a landlord, what I have learned from this and other boards and elsewhere. It is not to be relied on. Definitive advice is only available from a Solicitor or other appropriately qualified person.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by P.Pilcher View Post
                          O.K. experts on EPC's, here is one for you: I have had a property empty now for a couple of months awaiting a new tenant. My agent agreed that there should be no need to get an EPC at the time as they anticipated getting a new tenant much more quickly than they have. On the 29th September a new suitable tenant viewed the property and wants to rent it. I am now awaiting references and credit checks before the AST is signed. My agent is not certain whether an EPC is required and the govenrment literature in the matter is very hazy on this point (as would be expected of civil servants keen on justifying their huge salaries and jobs). Anybody got a definitive answer?

                          P.P.
                          My understanding is that an EPC is required for all tenancies starting on or after October 1st. So as your tenants will be signing their AST after October 1st, I would suggest that you will indeed require an EPC.


                          Just a general point as well, it is certainly worth checking round for EPC providers, as we have managed to negotiate the services of a local inspector for £40 per property (further reduced to £35 per property where more than 10 are given at once).

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                            #14
                            For any scottish landlords, this DOESNT come into effect until 2009, so best to get prepared.. I have has some quotes which vary hugely from £50 to £200 per property..

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Paul_f View Post
                              Wrong Advice! A little knowledge................! It only applies to NEW tenancies. Y'see you might panic one or two poor souls who have taken you at face value!
                              Well spotted reader! You are right, it does ONLY apply to NEW lets as from yesterday!!! (even though you probably won't be asked to see it in a trillion years)

                              I would like to offer a public apology - "To all those landlords, who have tenants currently living in their properties, that rushed out to pick up their EPC, I am sorry, I will be parading the local market square in the morning if you fancy throwing cabbages at me!"

                              My humble apologies

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