EPC - what's the consensus?

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    EPC - what's the consensus?

    Have recenty come across Energy Performance Certificates, yet another "groovy" invention by this squalid and headless-chicken of a government that is riddled with pointless purpose seeking.

    What are everyone's views on this?

    #2
    They are a small step on the long road of getting stupid, greedy and thoughtless people in this very privileged part of the planet, to scratch the surface of their selfishness and perhaps think about reducing their carbon emissions, or more accurately, those of the properties they own.

    In the case of reactionary old Daily-Mail-reading gits, they probably won't make much difference, but fortunately not everyone is like that.

    As far as landlords and tenants are concerned, I venture to predict that if domestic energy prices continue to rise as forecast, these will become one of a propspective tenant's first questions : how energy-efficient is this place? How much was the last gas bill? What do you propose to do to stop this place losing heat/wasting electricity?

    All are issues which are of course, addressed by an EPC.
    'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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      #3
      Prospective purchasers don't ask this question even when contained in a HIP which is another waste of money and energy!!
      The advice I give should not be construed as a definitive answer, and is without prejudice or liability. You are advised to consult a specialist solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

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        #4
        Prospective purchasers might not, yet. More fool them! They will, eventually.

        Prospective tenants who tend to have less money than house buyers, on the whole, are already starting to compare energy bills between one property and another. They are customers, when all's said and done.
        Last edited by mind the gap; 18-07-2008, 18:38 PM. Reason: typo
        'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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          #5
          My objection is the cost and the time required to do this (not just the inspectors time) and of course, if you change your heating system, windows etc, you will have to re-test.

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            #6
            Originally posted by SEB View Post
            My objection is the cost and the time required to do this (not just the inspectors time) and of course, if you change your heating system, windows etc, you will have to re-test.
            And if you don't? Seems like a small price to pay, in the grand scheme of things. The cost of the EPC itself is currently about £80. If you are an owner occupier and you act on its recommendations, you will undoubtedly recoup that cost within months and the total cost of the energy saving measures it suggests within years. Obviously as a LL, you will make a slightly smaller profit, but I honestly don't see we have a lot of choice.

            Unpalatable truths...
            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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              #7
              Actually on reflection, most landlords will probably capitalise on the increased desirability of a more energy-efficient property and pass on the cost of new boiler, double glazing and insulation, to the tenants.

              What's not to approve of?
              'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                #8
                Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
                Actually on reflection, most landlords will probably capitalise on the increased desirability of a more energy-efficient property and pass on the cost of new boiler, double glazing and insulation, to the tenants.

                What's not to approve of?
                I doubt that LL's will bother to pass on the costs of a certificate, given that £80 a year is £1.54 per week and with regards to new boilers/windows/insulation etc., most LL's want to stay competitive and their tenants/letting agents/local authorities couldn't give a toss about a LL's costs, since, of course, all LL's are swimming with money, aren't we?.

                Yes, in the overall scheme of things, £80 or so as a one-shot deal is not any worry (its £75-150 NOW), but its just one more thing that we have to add to our growing costs and have zero to show for it.

                In addition, I seriously doubt that the disparity between properties that are allegedly energy efficient compared to those that are not will sway a tenant's decision, since there are much bigger factors that are likely to be top of a tenants list of priorities, such as;

                1. An iffy landlord
                2. Poor quality fittings/furnishings/carpets
                3. Dirty and poor internal decoration
                4. Dark interiors
                5. Poor and/or inadequately maintained appliances and services
                6. So-so or risky neighbourhoods
                7. Distance to shops/transport
                8. Structural property problems

                and others.

                Any of these factors affect a tenant in a much more serious way than saving £10-15 a month on the gas bill.
                If you've ever been a tenant, as I have, you will understand and appreciate the concerns.

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                  #9
                  [QUOTE=SEB;83744]Yes, in the overall scheme of things, £80 or so as a one-shot deal is not any worry (its £75-150 NOW), but its just one more thing that we have to add to our growing costs and have zero to show for it.QUOTE]

                  A bit more left of the planet?

                  No amount of whingeing will alter the fact that our current level of carbon-based energy use is unsustainable. Ostrich impersonations are unhelpful. People will read this in the archive in ten or twenty years' time with incredulity.
                  'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                    #10
                    Waste of time to everybody concerned. landlords dont want them and the tenants aren't interested.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by red40 View Post
                      the tenants aren't interested.
                      You'd be surprised. With the gas bills these days, I certainly am. We've had to do a few things with the property we're renting to keep it sensibly warm over the winter.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pelican eats pigeon View Post
                        You'd be surprised.
                        I would be very surprised, the last tenant that asked about it wanted to know if it was as good as LSD

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                          #13
                          I would like to take the time to refer you to the case of 'War - Why can't we be friends' vs 'Life's too short'

                          Lets all just get along man, why's there gotta be all this negative attitude man? Let' just all be friends and work for the common benefit of the lesser man...
                          My views and posts are based on my opinion and any advice given is just that, advice. If you decide to act on any advice given it is with the full knowledge that I am not perfect and anything I say could be wrong!

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