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    EPC of Electricity only properties

    Has anyone managed to get a EPC C rating on a property that runs on electricity only? I have a pair of 1936 electric only flats about to be refurbed (one rated E, one rated F 😨). Bearing in mind that in 2028 the minimum rental rating is being raised to C, Ive been trying to find ways to raise the ratings now - maybe with green grants - rather than later and was wondering if anyone had managed to reach this level? Properties already have cavity wall and roof/loft insulation, d/g, dual immersion heaters & led lighting. Current EPC recommendations to fit solid floor insulation and upgrade to modern storage heaters seem ridiculous when E7 is being phased out. Was going to install gas, but with gov now trying to phase out gas heating too it'll probably be pointless. Anyone found an affordable way of improving their EPC?

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    Write to Greta and ask about the environmental cost of bulldozing good properties and building more, and how many years it takes to recover the environmental cost. Post the response here. She cares about these things so sure she'll respond and explain why destroying the environment is a good thing.

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      #3
      You need to pick the assessor carefully. Look at some neighbouring EPC's, and call the person who rated your neighbours highest.

      BTW, what's this about Economy 7 being discontinued?

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        #4
        E7 was brought in as a way of using electricity generated by nuclear power but not used off-peak (as you can't turn off a nuclear plant overnight 🙄). As gov/EU is pushing for carbon neutral power generation, most of the old gas cooled reactors - around 8 if I remember correctly- are scheduled for decommission by 2030 - extended from the original 2024 closure dates. Although there are plans for 3 new plants to be built, it follows that less nuclear energy will mean less off-peak energy available, so E7 tariffs will likely become obsolete.

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          #5
          Originally posted by AndrewDod View Post
          Write to Greta and ask about the environmental cost of bulldozing good properties and building more, and how many years it takes to recover the environmental cost. Post the response here. She cares about these things so sure she'll respond and explain why destroying the environment is a good thing.
          She's been very quiet recently hasn't she?

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            #6
            Originally posted by AndrewDod View Post
            Write to Greta and ask about the environmental cost of bulldozing good properties and building more, and how many years it takes to recover the environmental cost. Post the response here. She cares about these things so sure she'll respond and explain why destroying the environment is a good thing.
            I'll let my EPC assessor know that I'll only rent to vegans...maybe that will do the trick

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              #7
              LordSuch I'm glad you asked this as I was wondering the same. My friends are doing up a flat above a shop and want it to run on electricity only so they don't have to have a gas cert.

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                #8
                Originally posted by LordSuch View Post

                E7 was brought in as a way of using electricity generated by nuclear power but not used off-peak (as you can't turn off a nuclear plant overnight 🙄). As gov/EU is pushing for carbon neutral power generation, most of the old gas cooled reactors - around 8 if I remember correctly- are scheduled for decommission by 2030 - extended from the original 2024 closure dates. Although there are plans for 3 new plants to be built, it follows that less nuclear energy will mean less off-peak energy available, so E7 tariffs will likely become obsolete.
                Not really the case, here in Kent (or off Kent) we have the biggest offshore wind farm in the world that frequently generates huge surpluses all night.
                E7 may be phased out but only because it's not necessary with smart meters which can implement demand based pricing.
                You can already get a tariff from Octopus with a negative night time charge rate so night storage heaters will probably still have a place.

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                  #9
                  At the moment I think you will struggle to get an EPC band C rating without storage heaters

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                    #10
                    The government consultation about making C the minimum is just that at this point.
                    In practice, that would wipe out the rental market, because it's an unattainable standard without rebuilding properties.

                    There is no plan to end off peak power tariffs.
                    Wind power also doesn't switch off at night.

                    Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post
                    She's been very quiet recently hasn't she?
                    She went back to school in August.
                    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Section20z View Post

                      Not really the case, here in Kent (or off Kent) we have the biggest offshore wind farm in the world that frequently generates huge surpluses all night.
                      E7 may be phased out but only because it's not necessary with smart meters which can implement demand based pricing.
                      You can already get a tariff from Octopus with a negative night time charge rate so night storage heaters will probably still have a place.
                      Wind energy still only accounts for approx 20% of all electricity generated (at the moment)-roughly the same as nuclear power. Most windfarms, plus the planned further windfarms to replace the decommissioned nuclear plants are all on the east coast for a reason - when there is excess it's exported to the continent through the interconnectors. E7 while great for charging cars overnight or heating a tank of water, has horrendously high daytime costs. Don't expect E7 to be around long term.

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                        #12
                        Had 3 houses Highland Scotland with ok EPC's , now only 1. No gas within 46 miles.
                        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                          #13
                          Putting in gas will raise the EPC (another annually of Govt policy - so not joined up) as should storage heaters.

                          Quite what you do if you put these measures in and you only get to a D I don't know!

                          Complete the Govt consultation - say you will sell your properties - maybe someone will take notice and change the policy!

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                            #14
                            There should be very little surplus with wind farms. They just switch them off if the power is not needed.

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                              #15
                              My own home is D and if I do everything suggested on my EPC I would achieve D.

                              The four things suggested include a wind turbine.
                              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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